Software Update 2018.18

[NewTMSMan]

Doesn't help your 'memory' when you have all sorts of *#$*#$ on the Internet all day. Real? Better to substitute your OWN reality

And, that might be enough of that before Bruce comes swooping in.....

Oh this is getting it's own thread I am sure of it

 

[Asterix187]

@Asterix187 And did you have the "New navigation (beta)" in the release notes as well?

No but we have only had a few people in the uk have the new maps. The maps are separate to the firmware though.

 

[Shaggy]

I used to get them in the first 3 days, now I seem to be low on the list. 2018 -> 12.4, so far nada.

 

[croman]

My general observations: 1) The NN seems unchanged. It sees what it sees. However, the IC now displays curves of the road more sharply. It reminds me a lot of how AP1 does it (straight and then hooks). It does it on the highway at speed too whereas 2018.12 wouldn't really curve the road much (it did slightly but not sharply). I don't really see a performance difference, this is just the eye candy.

2) Similarly, I'm seeing cars being represented differently. They are turning at angles more and pop up faster. More are appearing as I do lane changes and with more accurate lane positioning. The caveat is that I see a lot of matrixy cars (hopping between or within lanes). The few times i tested the system, it seemed to perform similarly despite displaying richer information. The matrix affect did not mean the system was confused.

Otherwise I don't see much difference. I hope someone with root access can chime in and let us know if anything has changed and whether the side repeater cams are ever going to be allowed to calibrate. I also can't help but wonder why almost 15 weeks have passed since the early release software had AP1 like car displays in the IC but that hasn't migrated to the general public...

 

[MelaniainLA]

Otherwise I don't see much difference. I hope someone with root access can chime in and let us know if anything has changed and whether the side repeater cams are ever going to be allowed to calibrate. I also can't help but wonder why almost 15 weeks have passed since the early release software had AP1 like car displays in the IC but that hasn't migrated to the general public...

@verygreen @BigD0g ? Any thoughts on this please?

 

[arubinst]

I also can't help but wonder why almost 15 weeks have passed since the early release software had AP1 like car displays in the IC but that hasn't migrated to the general public...

What do you mean by this? Representing cars on both main and adjacent lanes simultaneously? Identifying trucs and bikes? Both?

Has this been shown in pictures/video?

 

[croman]

What do you mean by this? Representing cars on both main and adjacent lanes simultaneously? Identifying trucs and bikes? Both?

Has this been shown in pictures/video?

Lanes. It does not classify vehicle.

 

[arubinst]

Interesting, thanks!

 

[BigD0g]

@verygreen @BigD0g ? Any thoughts on this please?

Sure, I have thoughts , did you want to hear them?

 

[MelaniainLA]

Sure, I have thoughts , did you want to hear them?

Yes please!!

 

[BigD0g]

My general observations: 1) The NN seems unchanged. It sees what it sees. However, the IC now displays curves of the road more sharply. It reminds me a lot of how AP1 does it (straight and then hooks). It does it on the highway at speed too whereas 2018.12 wouldn't really curve the road much (it did slightly but not sharply). I don't really see a performance difference, this is just the eye candy.

This is correct, the NN is unchanged. I also agree it is showing curves better, and trying to show cars within those cars, but still failing pretty badly at that. I also thing it's showing further out in the distance then before, and braking sooner for stopped cars. However, it's also swerving a lot more to me inside of intersections and such.

Otherwise I don't see much difference. I hope someone with root access can chime in and let us know if anything has changed and whether the side repeater cams are ever going to be allowed to calibrate. I also can't help but wonder why almost 15 weeks have passed since the early release software had AP1 like car displays in the IC but that hasn't migrated to the general public...

Side repeaters are still at 0%, I would assume one day they are going to calibrate, but what the heck do I know, they haven't calibrated in many months, so maybe Tesla is just teasing us for another three months maybe, but definitely six...

As for the IC, I really have no clue at all why they are not showing this, it's maddening to me, they have all the data, it's all on the can bus and they can clearly show it if they want to, why they choose not to is beyond me and makes no sense to me. You can see it here:

 

[BigD0g]

Lanes. It does not classify vehicle.

I'm not sure that's true, I think they are classifying vehicles, I believe they are simply not showing them to us for whatever Tesla wisdom that reveals. I have some thoughts on this, but need to dig around on this A LOT to figure out if I am right or not, but I don't have the time right now, things are crazy in the dog pound.

@jimmy_d Might have thoughts on this as well?

 

[croman]

@jimmy_d . You are on deck.

 

[croman]

I actually find it is also seeing cars further but doing worse at reacting to stopped cars at 50mph as compared to 2018.12. Only 1 day of observations though.

 

[BigD0g]

Oh, and one other comment, the entire earnings call with no mention at all about the CTC drive, to me is the biggest indication of the lack of real progress of the little things, the death on 101 I suspect set them back months, but just my thoughts, I have no knowledge either way.

 

[chillaban]

Oh, and one other comment, the entire earnings call with no mention at all about the CTC drive, to me is the biggest indication of the lack of real progress of the little things, the death on 101 I suspect set them back months, but just my thoughts, I have no knowledge either way.

I wouldn’t say set back but based off the renewed phantom braking complaints I strongly suspect the team’s focus changed from a gimmicky CTC drive to trying to avoid hitting objects.

 

[BigD0g]

I wouldn’t say set back but based off the renewed phantom braking complaints I strongly suspect the team’s focus changed from a gimmicky CTC drive to trying to avoid hitting objects.

I’d call that a set back.

 

[GWord]

I'm not sure that's true, I think they are classifying vehicles, I believe they are simply not showing them to us for whatever Tesla wisdom that reveals. I have some thoughts on this, but need to dig around on this A LOT to figure out if I am right or not, but I don't have the time right now, things are crazy in the dog pound.

@jimmy_d Might have thoughts on this as well?

I've been going through Mobileye's patents trying to see if they might have some IP in that area. Haven't found anything yet but there is a lot of material to read.

 

[chillaban]

I’d call that a set back.

Maybe. But I’d say it’s a setback hopefully with a safety advantage to existing customers. But maybe I’m being overly optimistic.

 

[croman]

Maybe. But I’d say it’s a setback hopefully with a safety advantage to existing customers. But maybe I’m being overly optimistic.

Let them actually make progress and we can be happy they are actually doing something beyond object recognition.

I hate to say it but bladerskb seemed to be right about Tesla being hapless regarding full self driving. There are many stages to develop and Tesla doesn't seem to have fully perfected the first: object detection and recognition and classification. Then it needs localization, and driving policy. HD maps are not present. Tesla is barely at parity with the functionality of AP1.