[UK] 2024.2

[Cardo]

On 2024.2.6

I've just come back from a 200 mile drive.

100 miles in, my visualizations all failed, including speed limit, lane lines, also with no autopilot/FSD available and no park assist. All cameras seem to work okay.

I've done a reboot twice, but to no avail.

I realise how much I miss FSD when its not available. I'm hoping its a software fault rather than a hardware issue - I'll try another re-boot tomorrow.

I think the latest firmware causes the AP computer to run hotter. If your cooling system isn’t working efficiently then the computer can overheat and crash. As I mentioned recently, when I reported similar behaviour Tesla sent out a ranger who topped up the coolant and flushed the cooling system to remove any bubbles.

 

[Tony Hoyle]

If it's overheating *now* it's going to be the freaking apocalypse in summer.

 

[MrBadger]

I think the latest firmware causes the AP computer to run hotter. If your cooling system isn’t working efficiently then the computer can overheat and crash. As I mentioned recently, when I reported similar behaviour Tesla sent out a ranger who topped up the coolant and flushed the cooling system to remove any bubbles.

I wonder how that may be dealt with on cars out of warranty that are working fine with current firmware but get broken by an update?

 

[WllXM]

Also noticed that TACC doesn’t work 95% of the time. Might be to do with the fact that there is pretty much zero visualisation on the display anymore. All I can see is my car and no line markings or anything. Frustrating!

On 2024.2.6

I've just come back from a 200 mile drive.

100 miles in, my visualizations all failed, including speed limit, lane lines, also with no autopilot/FSD available and no park assist. All cameras seem to work okay.

I've done a reboot twice, but to no avail.

I realise how much I miss FSD when its not available. I'm hoping its a software fault rather than a hardware issue - I'll try another re-boot tomorrow.

If it's an AP crash, a two button reset will not fix the problem.
What you have to do is let the car go to sleep : no charging, no sentry. A couple hours without checking the app. Then see if it's back when you get back in.
Fixed it for me a while back.

 

[Dilly]

If it's an AP crash, a two button reset will not fix the problem.
What you have to do is let the car go to sleep : no charging, no sentry. A couple hours without checking the app. Then see if it's back when you get back in.
Fixed it for me a while back.

The auto equivalent of an induced coma.

 

[aq42]

I went out in the rain today and the wipers worked perfectly! No (visible) updates. Bizarre.

Update: according to the router (which isn't always to be trusted) the car downloaded 11 GB of data over the wi-fi shortly before I took it out. Curiouser and curiouser

 

[bainsy]

Not had any update… been on 2023.44.30.9 for some time now

Although seems like im not missing much

 

[Andywil]

Update: according to the router (which isn't always to be trusted) the car downloaded 11 GB of data over the wi-fi shortly before I took it out. Curiouser and curiouser

That sounds like map update, which occurs with no notifications.

 

[JupiterMan]

think the latest firmware causes the AP computer to run hotter. If your cooling system isn’t working efficiently then the computer can overheat and crash. As I mentioned recently, when I reported similar behaviour Tesla sent out a ranger who topped up the coolant and flushed the cooling system to remove any bubbles.

my cooling system works fine.

My current M3 is only 5 months old......

I suspect this is a software problem with the current build. I've had a Tesla for 4 years and never had this before. and as posted by others above, if people don't have this issue in California in August, then it really should not be problem in Hertfordshire in February!

 

[JupiterMan]

Visualisations all back to normal this morning thankfully….

Am doing a fair few miles today…. Let’s see if it happens again….

 

[HenryT]

I went out in the rain today and the wipers worked perfectly! No (visible) updates. Bizarre.

They've probably updated the rain instead then.

 

[Cardo]

my cooling system works fine.

My current M3 is only 5 months old......

I suspect this is a software problem with the current build. I've had a Tesla for 4 years and never had this before. and as posted by others above, if people don't have this issue in California in August, then it really should not be problem in Hertfordshire in February!

Try running a PC without a CPU heatsink in the dead of winter and see how you get on.

I have no doubt the issues are linked to the latest firmware, however the possibility of the AP computer overheating and causing it to crash is not beyond belief. Tesla certainly spotted the issue easily enough in the logs. My theory is the latest build runs the computer harder and therefore hotter so it’s easier to push it over the edge.

In an earlier post, someone asked what the deal would be for those out of warranty. Now, that’s a very interesting question. If Tesla push a software update to your out of warranty car that causes problems that require a physical fix, who’s responsible for the cost? Personally, I feel it should be Tesla, however I can see them arguing it’s a latent problem with the car that was brought to the surface by the update and therefore not their responsibility…

 

[Tony Hoyle]

I'd expect them to revert the change if they did something that actually broke cars.. otherwise they'd likely get sued, especially in the US.

 

[Cardo]

I'd expect them to revert the change if they did something that actually broke cars.. otherwise they'd likely get sued, especially in the US.

However, they could argue the car was already broken and requiring service, and they’ve just exposed the issue with the software update. I wonder if there’s a precedent for this kind of thing? Apple got into trouble by introducing a software update that throttled devices if their batteries were below a particular level of health. Not exactly the same, but that ended up with Apple paying out in the US.

 

[Zilla91]

You’d think the AP computer would need to be running for a while to overheat but in reality I’ve had the visuals crash within minutes of starting a drive so I agree, it’s unlikely to be a cooling issue

 

[browellm]

Why would it need to be running a while? If the CPU utilisiation goes above a thermal ceiling it could happen in just a few seconds. The CPU/heatsink comparison posted earlier is very good.

 

[Cardo]

You’d think the AP computer would need to be running for a while to overheat but in reality I’ve had the visuals crash within minutes of starting a drive so I agree, it’s unlikely to be a cooling issue

Tell me you don’t know how electronic component cooling works without telling me you don’t know how electronic component cooling works!

 

[Cardo]

Why would it need to be running a while? If the CPU utilisiation goes above a thermal ceiling it could happen in just a few seconds. The CPU/heatsink comparison posted earlier is very good.

Why thank you, kind sir.

 

[Overworked]

That sounds like map update, which occurs with no notifications.

Could be as I had one last week

 

[Bernard_S]

On 2024.2.6

I've just come back from a 200 mile drive.

100 miles in, my visualizations all failed, including speed limit, lane lines, also with no autopilot/FSD available and no park assist. All cameras seem to work okay.

I've done a reboot twice, but to no avail.

Only done 50 miles but same here, and I'm pretty sure the speed display font size has shrunk back to what it was a year or so back. No FSD installed on my car.