FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

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Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

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[JHCCAZ]

I got pulled over initially for impaired driving due to improper lane usage.

I'm happy all the time, but it's typically enhanced.

You got pulled over yesterday for the way FSD Beta drove?

The officer administered a Level Two breathalyzer test.

He blew an 11.4.9, and was let off with an Enhanced Warning.

 

[rlsd]

V12.1 leaked video.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1740787548342096256

 

[Supcom]

The officer administered a Level Two breathalyzer test.

That's the one where you fail if your eyes follow the pen from side to side or you don't hold onto the car while walking?

 

[pimfram]

Drive back from the cabin. Noticed not only left lane fetish but also right when trying to move over behind a car doing at least 5 mph slower than the left lane. FSD really does keep us on our toes, doesn't it.

 

[WilliamG]

V12.1 leaked video.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1740787548342096256

That’s the best I’ve seen it perform. I noticed no jerking steering wheel at any point, either.

 

[JulienW]

Almost hate to jinx myself but I'm having 2 major improvements.

• Not a single dry wipe (please let this continue)
• Almost no wheel nags.

Today I drove from gym to condo at almost 3 miles in the city (about ¾ mile through a neighborhood but the rest urban) and 0 nags. Also drove several miles on interstates with only 2 nags. Has been rare on nags since update. Should I say "thanks NHTSA" for that?

 

[AndrewZ]

That’s the best I’ve seen it perform. I noticed no jerking steering wheel at any point, either.

This should be required for it to go non-Beta-but-still-Beta-in-the-manual in the final wide release to the fleet more akin to Autopilot

 

[WilliamG]

This should be required for it to go non-Beta-but-still-Beta-in-the-manual in the final wide release to the fleet more akin to Autopilot

100%. If the wheel is jerking back and forth then it’s simply not ready for release.

 

[JulienW]

This should be required for it to go non-Beta-but-still-Beta-in-the-manual in the final wide release to the fleet more akin to Autopilot

This "not Beta FSD" Elon is claiming sounds like hyperbole. What exactly does "not Beta" mean? It will still be the same L2 system so saying it is "not Beta" doesn't really change anything (other than improvements)?

 

[AndrewZ]

This "not Beta FSD" Elon is claiming sounds like hyperbole. What exactly does "not Beta" mean? It will still be the same L2 system so saying it is "not Beta" doesn't really change anything (other than improvements)?

FSD would be available to use freely for anyone who has purchased it outright or in subscription form, the Beta tag will be gone from the FSD Suite but Autosteer on City Streets and other modules within FSD will still have Beta disclaimers in the manual just like all the Autopilot modules today with the exception of Summon

This was always Tesla's plan, it will remain Level 2 but immediately accessible to anyone who buys it

 

[rlsd]

That’s the best I’ve seen it perform. I noticed no jerking steering wheel at any point, either.

I don't see dry wipes, red light running, phantom breaking, so it's good

 

[JulienW]

FSD would be available to use freely for anyone who has purchased it outright or in subscription form......

So same as it is NOW.

 

[kabin]

I don't see dry wipes, red light running, phantom breaking, so it's good

It's probably a good bet the area is heavily trained.

 

[kabin]

Maybe another version release is coming?

2023.44.30.7 Official Tesla Software Update - Teslascope

 

[FOOLSLFDRVNG]

I don't see dry wipes, red light running, phantom breaking, so it's good

Phantom lane change and phantom signaling?

 

[MP3Mike]

The first wave of 2023.44.30.7 seems have started. (A little over 200 reported on TeslaFi, all coming from 2023.44.30.6 so far.)

Hopefully, this version fixes the problems people have been reporting where 2023.44.30.6, on some vehicles, put the FSD computer in a failed state, and disabled the cameras, AP, FSD, etc. (At least I think it was all people on 2023.44.30.6.)

 

[Mardak]

The first wave of 2023.44.30.7 seems have started. (A little over 200 reported on TeslaFi, all coming from 2023.44.30.6 so far.)

Teslascope has a bit more detail on the pending versions, and it shows 90%+ are indeed from 2023.44.30.6 but there's some vehicles on older versions that have been slow in installing the latest .5/.6 holiday updates. Notably, there's none pending from 2023.44.30.5.1, which only included HW2.5/3 vehicles, and so far all TeslaFi installations for this newest version seem to be HW4. Presumably, it's not specifically HW4 FSD Beta 11.4.9 related as there's installs in countries outside of US/Canada.

Perhaps it's intended for 2023/2024 HW4 USS-less vehicles fixing some issue with high fidelity park assist?

 

[cmwagner75DX]

The first wave of 2023.44.30.7 seems have started. (A little over 200 reported on TeslaFi, all coming from 2023.44.30.6 so far.)

Hopefully, this version fixes the problems people have been reporting where 2023.44.30.6, on some vehicles, put the FSD computer in a failed state, and disabled the cameras, AP, FSD, etc. (At least I think it was all people on 2023.44.30.6.)

The first wave of 2023.44.30.7 seems have started. (A little over 200 reported on TeslaFi, all coming from 2023.44.30.6 so far.)

Hopefully, this version fixes the problems people have been reporting where 2023.44.30.6, on some vehicles, put the FSD computer in a failed state, and disabled the cameras, AP, FSD, etc. (At least I think it was all people on 2023.44.30.6.)

Have any more info on this? I just did the infotainment upgrade to MCU2 and was told I have HW3 in my 16’ MX 75D. Got some odd error msgs and cannot use any voice commands. No indication was provided to “calibrate” cameras but I just did a reset on them so I’ll have more info in the next 100m or so

 

[Scott Chapman]

Have any more info on this? I just did the infotainment upgrade to MCU2 and was told I have HW3 in my 16’ MX 75D. Got some odd error msgs and cannot use any voice commands. No indication was provided to “calibrate” cameras but I just did a reset on them so I’ll have more info in the next 100m or so

Looks like only HW4 cars from what I can tell

 

[PR0FESSOR]

I just received 2023.44.30.7 and it is installing now on my 2023 Model S Plaid HW4.

Joe