You’d think that should work. It works AP. When I do that in FSDb the car just continues on, not using regen or slowing down. It does respond to lower speed limit signs but not quickly and it should start adjusting as soon as it sees the sign, not when it passes it.
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New FSD beta testers (June 2022) - First experiences
- Thread starter Hoss2626
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This is a serious issue. Adjusting speed (right dial down to slow, up to accelerate) is one of the few tools you have to control fsd along with canceling lane changes, forcing lane changes or just plain disengaging.
I use my scroll wheel all the time to push speed up or down from the posted speed (I have it set at the posted speed). When I turn onto a road with the same speed limit, it keeps any speed it has been adjusted to. If you aren't recording your drives with a camera that shows the screen, it can be helpful to do so, to verify if speed changes have been made and what they are. You might find there are interruptions in fsdb that reset speed and drop any adjustment - explaining part of what you are seeing.
All speed changes with the scroll wheel seem slow to realize.
I use my scroll wheel all the time to push speed up or down from the posted speed (I have it set at the posted speed). When I turn onto a road with the same speed limit, it keeps any speed it has been adjusted to. If you aren't recording your drives with a camera that shows the screen, it can be helpful to do so, to verify if speed changes have been made and what they are. You might find there are interruptions in fsdb that reset speed and drop any adjustment - explaining part of what you are seeing.
All speed changes with the scroll wheel seem slow to realize.
Oh it needs to 100 miles using autosteer? Ahh not quite but close. I should have opted in on my previous road trip, 3700 miles lol. I didn’t want to have Beta without being in a familiar area although it seems like it still behaves like EAP on highways right?
GalacticHero
M3-AWD+
it Is nearly the same on freeways as EAP. I’ve noticed two differences: 1) when it sees a speed limit sign it will change the desired speed to the limit speed (I presume with any offset you’ve set.) 2) On my commute there is a freeway-to-freeway exit where it would shut off NoAP, warning of an “unsupported maneuver “. Now it just goes for it…and screws it up every time. It’s a very sharp cloverleaf with no visibility at the end.
Somehow when running in FSD I see speed limits assigned for roads that have none posted. My driveway, for example has displayed at 25 mph. Possibly you are right and that was inherited from my local street, which has no posted limit but FSD calls 25. But that was NOT inherited, as the next road up the stack displays at 20 mph, which is in fact the posted limit.
In sum, I think it has some limits from a mapping database, reads some signs (but not all), and does some inheritance, but the details sometimes puzzle me. The sign reading actually gets errors here, where it spots a 45 mph limit on a frontage road and supplies it to me when I'm on the 65 mph urban Interstate. There are at least two locations here in Albuquerque where that happens reliably.
From my testing, there seems to be some defaults depending on your location, but I haven't been able to determine a hard rule. In cities, 30 mph seems to often be the default until a speed limit sign is read. But, in some rural areas, I've turned onto one highway from another and had the car slow down to 25 mph despite an upcoming sign posting 55 mph.
Cities often have ordinances that establish a default speed limit when none may be posted. It's possible that the car has these, and other areas, in a database.
Turning into my neighborhood, it thinks the speed limit is 45 for the first 150 feet or so, then adjusts down to 25. So I think it will change to a lower speed but it seems to take a minute to figure it out. Makes for some crazy acceleration/braking unless I dial the speed down before the turn.
GalacticHero
M3-AWD+
Following up on the cloverleaf merge: As I feared, it dives straight across the merge lane and into the traffic lane
. "FSD Beta: The high-tech alternative to coffee in the morning."Just thought I'd follow up here again, now that it's been a few weeks! I've gotten a little more used to the most common mistakes it will make, and I'm enjoying the experience more and more. I almost always at least try using it on every drive, unless I know a particular drive segment is going to be really terrible based on past experience, or I'm too distracted to be testing.
I continue to be impressed by how well it works most of the time. I haven't had any strikes yet, or even come close to it. At least for me in my car: if you're vigilant with your eyes scanning the road, steering wheel nags are pretty minimal and easy to catch (I do tend to get steering wheel nags, because I habitually use zero force on the wheel and just sense the car through it, until I need to provide real input).
It has done a few dangerous things, but nothing I couldn't correct. I tend to let situations play out as long as I safely can just to see what it ends up doing. Sometimes things that look really fishy initially, it eventually will recover from without intervention and continue the drive, even though anyone observing from the outside would probably consider the driver to be crazy or impaired! After initially testing in the "Average" profile, I've since found that I like "Assertive" better. I've been the passenger-seat instructor/monitor while newbies throw their cars off the side of the track in high speed corners on road race courses before, so maybe that prior experience helps a lot in calmly handling FSD's behaviors
My wife hates it and is terrified of it, but sometimes tolerates me using it while she's in the car.
The most pervasive and high priority issue to me, IMHO, continues to be the horrible lane choice planning in some situations. It's clearly not paying attention to the map data about turn lanes, etc at all! Second to that, is the inability to override the navigation's routing (I now usually have to turn off FSD until I fully exit my neighborhood, just because it persistently wants to route me towards a road that is currently under construction - if only I could cancel out that road, or drag the path on the map at the start of the drive?).
All in all, still going great. Looking forward to 10.13 and eventually single-stack!
I continue to be impressed by how well it works most of the time. I haven't had any strikes yet, or even come close to it. At least for me in my car: if you're vigilant with your eyes scanning the road, steering wheel nags are pretty minimal and easy to catch (I do tend to get steering wheel nags, because I habitually use zero force on the wheel and just sense the car through it, until I need to provide real input).
It has done a few dangerous things, but nothing I couldn't correct. I tend to let situations play out as long as I safely can just to see what it ends up doing. Sometimes things that look really fishy initially, it eventually will recover from without intervention and continue the drive, even though anyone observing from the outside would probably consider the driver to be crazy or impaired! After initially testing in the "Average" profile, I've since found that I like "Assertive" better. I've been the passenger-seat instructor/monitor while newbies throw their cars off the side of the track in high speed corners on road race courses before, so maybe that prior experience helps a lot in calmly handling FSD's behaviors
My wife hates it and is terrified of it, but sometimes tolerates me using it while she's in the car.The most pervasive and high priority issue to me, IMHO, continues to be the horrible lane choice planning in some situations. It's clearly not paying attention to the map data about turn lanes, etc at all! Second to that, is the inability to override the navigation's routing (I now usually have to turn off FSD until I fully exit my neighborhood, just because it persistently wants to route me towards a road that is currently under construction - if only I could cancel out that road, or drag the path on the map at the start of the drive?).
All in all, still going great. Looking forward to 10.13 and eventually single-stack!
Thanks for the feedback. Consistent with my experience.Just thought I'd follow up here again, now that it's been a few weeks! I've gotten a little more used to the most common mistakes it will make, and I'm enjoying the experience more and more. I almost always at least try using it on every drive, unless I know a particular drive segment is going to be really terrible based on past experience, or I'm too distracted to be testing.
I continue to be impressed by how well it works most of the time. I haven't had any strikes yet, or even come close to it. At least for me in my car: if you're vigilant with your eyes scanning the road, steering wheel nags are pretty minimal and easy to catch (I do tend to get steering wheel nags, because I habitually use zero force on the wheel and just sense the car through it, until I need to provide real input).
It has done a few dangerous things, but nothing I couldn't correct. I tend to let situations play out as long as I safely can just to see what it ends up doing. Sometimes things that look really fishy initially, it eventually will recover from without intervention and continue the drive, even though anyone observing from the outside would probably consider the driver to be crazy or impaired! After initially testing in the "Average" profile, I've since found that I like "Assertive" better. I've been the passenger-seat instructor/monitor while newbies throw their cars off the side of the track in high speed corners on road race courses before, so maybe that prior experience helps a lot in calmly handling FSD's behaviors
The most pervasive and high priority issue to me, IMHO, continues to be the horrible lane choice planning in some situations. It's clearly not paying attention to the map data about turn lanes, etc at all! Second to that, is the inability to override the navigation's routing (I now usually have to turn off FSD until I fully exit my neighborhood, just because it persistently wants to route me towards a road that is currently under construction - if only I could cancel out that road, or drag the path on the map at the start of the drive?).
All in all, still going great. Looking forward to 10.13 and eventually single-stack!
This is the main issue right now with FSDb. It is almost as if the car wants to pick the wrong lane in certain situations. Sometimes I wonder if someone at Tesla accidentally put in a -1 instead of +1 is some field somewhere!
GalacticHero
M3-AWD+
Agreed, it makes a ridiculously wrong decisions a few car lengths from the turn.
