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chronopc
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Not everyone. Just people who were speculating based on hopeful wishing and not any facts. Tesla said 218 as a minimum and 220 is more than 218. Why would they make their cheaper vehicle have better range than their flagship?
True, but we are talking EVs. If just looking at pure range/$ at around or under the $30k price point after tax credit.
Think: broke environmentalist hippies who think GMOs are the devil and need longer range than a leaf can provide (and love hatchbacks). Like people from Portland, OR.
My wife is from Portland, so I'm allowed to make that joke
Hey now. Portland resident here, born and raised. I take offense to that! Just kidding, I saw a woman dressed as a mermaid biking around town this morning and didn't even flinch.
Tue. However the Model 3 has NAV, but the Bolt has more cargo room, but the 3 has larger wheels, etc... etc...
My point was to compare the battery/charging features as closely as possible... as that's a common set of items that people are largely interested in with EV's.
I sure hope so. I don't have a Model 3 reservation but if they do this I'll order my Model S straight away. I'm in no hurry so for now I'm prepared to play the wait and see game until spring of next year.
JeffK
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Just to be 100% clear... changing the battery type alone will not dramatically increase range. The reason the Model 3 has more range than the Model S at the same capacities is that it's lighter, smaller, and more aerodynamic. If anything, you might get some weight savings but it's not going to matter at highway speeds.
Model 3 is NOT more aerodynamic than Model S. Model 3 has a higher drag ratio than Model S. The difference in weight appears to have made all the difference.
JeffK
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So you're saying Cd 0.23 is greater than Cd 0.24 and that the Model 3 is larger than the Model S....?
Wouldn't the extra weight of the LR model be due to more than just the larger battery? It comes with the premium package, which includes motorized seats and a bunch of other stuff that could potentially add to the weight. Or are options like that not included when calculating weight?
Also, am I the only one who sees "T3" and thinks:
I don't think either of those things are a fact.
Premium package might have its own added weight, but I can't imagine it's implied in the LR car not the SR one in such stats. LR starts at $44K they say. Premium comes on top. Even if that's the only they seem to be making right now. 49-50K cars depending on color. $51,500 with the wheels. Nearly $60K with self driving.
Premium package might have its own added weight, but I can't imagine it's implied in the LR car not the SR one in such stats. LR starts at $44K they say. Premium comes on top. Even if that's the only they seem to be making right now. 49-50K cars depending on color. $51,500 with the wheels. Nearly $60K with self driving.
Don't know why people are so disappointed in getting what was promised
$35,000 car that delivered on the specs that was laid out -- and getting earlier than the P+D folk, so that's a win too.
>215 miles on single charge, <6.0 sec 0-60MPH
No promise of bigger battery (yet delivered on this -- yes, at a premium, but so are larger batteries on S/X too)
No promise of cheaper AP2 -- same cost as S/X -- same tech- should cost the same .
It is a bummer that the PUP is all bundled into a single option at $5000 -- but the amount of those upgrades is actually cheaper than a la carte from prior packages -- so that's a win for fully loaded folks.
Tesla could have simply done the P+D+Battery+loaded and ask 70k --- they didn't -- it's a compromised balance for all folk
$35,000 car that delivered on the specs that was laid out -- and getting earlier than the P+D folk, so that's a win too.
>215 miles on single charge, <6.0 sec 0-60MPH
No promise of bigger battery (yet delivered on this -- yes, at a premium, but so are larger batteries on S/X too)
No promise of cheaper AP2 -- same cost as S/X -- same tech- should cost the same .
It is a bummer that the PUP is all bundled into a single option at $5000 -- but the amount of those upgrades is actually cheaper than a la carte from prior packages -- so that's a win for fully loaded folks.
Tesla could have simply done the P+D+Battery+loaded and ask 70k --- they didn't -- it's a compromised balance for all folk
Technically they haven't delivered that yet. They just say they will in November.
JeffK
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Many expected a range that meets or beats a Bolt for $35k as the Bolt is $36.6 MSRP
To be more precise, they expected Elon's ego to somehow "make it happen" to offer more for everyone. Just because Bolt got launched earlier, for a few month, Model 3 had to beat it in price as well as range.
JeffK
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Exactly, especially while bragging about having the lowest cost highest capacity cells in the industry.
chronopc
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If you drive a Bolt, you are not bragging to anyone.
JeffK
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chronopc
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Elon also never said anything about beating the Bolt's range. Elon and Tesla don't care about the Bolt, they are competing with luxury cars like the BMV 3-Series and Mercedes C-Class. You're the one who keeps mentioning the Bolt which no one who wants a Tesla cares about.
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