FSD Beta v11.x

sleepydoc · Dec 3, 2023

willow_hiller said:
Some undocumented feature found by Green. Speed trap and red-light camera data added to the maps. I suppose FSD Beta will be more likely to brake for yellows and not adjust speed up when it knows there's a camera:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1731223084084916379

With the latest versions I've found FSD's yellow light behavior to be very appropriate. It will continue on at the current speed if it can't stop without braking unreasonably hard, just like one should do.

swedge · Dec 3, 2023

FSDtester#1 said:
What is their actual methodology?

Perhaps it is random, but some users are more random than others. ;-)

rlsd · Dec 3, 2023

Hiline said:
Really? FSD would definitely drag my score down - it speeds up, triggering a forward collision warning, then slams on the brake, if I don't disengage FSD or quickly reduce speed limit.

I'm also in California, so I just turn off safety score - too distracting.

I think safety scores are only affected after FSD is disengaged (not red wheel disengagement) (5 seconds? I read somewhere like that.)

FSD beta lowers safety score

We need more screenshots to get to the bottom of this. What smartphone OS are you on and what version of the Tesla app? I’m iOS 16.3.1 and Tesla app 4.20.69-1691.

teslamotorsclub.com

WilliamG · Dec 3, 2023

jebinc said:
Wife returns from store missing a few items, so I'm dispatched.... took the Plaid with its new v11.8.1 junk - AUTO Wipers on. Trip was "all city" driving; 8 miles route trip. FSDj set on "Average". Observations:

1. Less spastic wheel/yoke (the only good)
2. It's cloudy with light drizzle here in Seattle. As soon as I left my garage (and for the entire route), my Flagship "in city" L1.5+ driving aid warned me (see attached) of possible degraded performance (never had that with my poor-boy Subaru Eyesight L2 features that worked in city (e.g., TACC functions, Rear cross traffic alerting, etc.). Degraded due to "Poor weather" - now defined as when cloudy with light drizzle. Reliable/predictable L2+ my @$$....
3. As you may recall from prior reviews, we have a gate. In the past, the junk would stop and show the red hands of death. Now, it continues to steam toward the gate as if it were not there, while showing the red hands of death... I had to stand on the brake pedal at 10' from the gate.
4. Constantly had to give it pedal and intersections, ramps, etc. In name cases (sh)it just wanted to "idle" through the intersection (after stopping).
5. Wipers, spazzed out more than prior "downgrade".

Summary - See attached photo. I will not be driving this version again. Done until v12j^2

YMMV.

View attachment 996020 View attachment 996021

This is completely surprising!

jebinc · Dec 3, 2023

WilliamG said:
This is completely surprising!

What, that I would post a realistic, unbiased report of said junk?

sleepydoc · Dec 3, 2023

EVNow said:
I haven't paid attention to the sound... But the issue usually is FSD not engaging even though we double tap.

But wheel disengagement to tacc is the main issue. We would usually do it in tough turning situations where you don't have time to look at the screen or tap up ..

From a UI perspective it was a terrible design.

Take a listen next time - there's a distinct difference between them (at least on my MY). TACC activation is a single 'bing' while FSD is a double 'bing bing' with the second tone being higher (actually the reverse of the double tone you get when deactivating FSD.)

I find it very intuitive - FSD is a 'notch up' from TACC in terms of automation so if you want the first level (TACC) you tug the stalk once, if you want the second level (FSD) you tug twice. @Yelobird clarified that some cars (the cars with yokes and no stalks?) you have to double press a button rather than using a stalk. I can see that being more difficult but as someone who still makes regular use of TACC, removing it from the system completely is a bad idea. I think removing the stalks is the actual terrible design.

EVNow said:
BTW, do you pay attention is a rude remark... If we didn't we would not disengage. It's FSD that needs to pay more attention!

Didn't intend to be rude but it struck me as odd - anyone who uses FSD should know that you need to pay attention because, despite the improvements over the last couple of years, it still does unexpected, boneheaded things. Like I said, it's clear (at least to me) when I engage TACC vs FSD and I always make sure FSD is behaving as expected after I engage it.

Dewg · Dec 3, 2023

jebinc said:
What, that I would post a realistic, unbiased report of said junk?

un·bi·ased
<adjective>
showing no prejudice for or against something; impartial.

I could try to spin your comment and say you used the word unbiased loosely, but damn Jeb - that was quite the opposite of unbiased.

jebinc · Dec 3, 2023

Dewg said:
un·bi·ased
<adjective>
showing no prejudice for or against something; impartial.

I could try to spin your comment and say you used the word unbiased loosely, but damn Jeb - that was quite the opposite of unbiased.

It was factual in my Model S. Maybe a model 3 or Y would perform better.

Edit: And where are all of the other reports? Good, bad and ugly….

Dewg · Dec 3, 2023

jebinc said:
It was factual in my Model S. Maybe a model 3 or Y would perform better.

Edit: And where all all of the other reports? Good, bad and ugly….

I don't have it yet, so it may be some time before the fleet is fully upgraded. I'll report my test drive when it's out.

And there is a big difference between your experience and opinions about that experience, and an unbiased report. I have no doubt that was a factual experience and your opinion of it. It's just incorrect to call it an unbiased report.

jebinc · Dec 3, 2023

Dewg said:
I don't have it yet, so it may be some time before the fleet is fully upgraded. I'll report my test drive when it's out.

And there is a big difference between your experience and opinions about that experience, and an unbiased report. I have no doubt that was a factual experience and your opinion of it. It's just incorrect to call it an unbiased report.

The actual driving report was unbiased. My view of FSDj is beyond biased, I agree - but I didn’t let that bias my one drive report!

Twiglett · Dec 3, 2023

EVNow said:
8.3 ?

yeah - fat fingered and past the edit window

11.4.8.1 (2023.27.12)

Dewg · Dec 3, 2023

jebinc said:
The actual driving report was unbiased. My view of FSDj is beyond biased, I agree - but I didn’t let that bias my one drive report!

Unbiased means you report the facts, and let the reader come to their own conclusions. The moment you put in language that conveys an opinion, or attempts to sway the viewpoint of the reader, it's no longer unbiased.

I'll give you two examples:

A 5 year-old boy died when he was struck by a Tesla on the corner of 5th and Elm. Police are investigating the scene and we'll bring you more details when they become available.

A child was tragically struck and killed by a Tesla, possibly using Tesla's Autopilot, on the corner of 5th and Elm. Police are investigating the accident, and we'll bring you more details as they become available.

Notice the 2nd paragraph invokes emotional responses by using child, tragic, and possibly. I'm attempting to lean the reader towards anger, and prejudge the driver and/or Tesla without the facts.

LowlyOilBurner · Dec 3, 2023

jebinc said:
Wife returns from store missing a few items, so I'm dispatched.... took the Plaid with its new v11.8.1 junk - AUTO Wipers on. Trip was "all city" driving; 8 miles route trip. FSDj set on "Average". Observations:

1. Less spastic wheel/yoke (the only good)
2. It's cloudy with light drizzle here in Seattle. As soon as I left my garage (and for the entire route), my Flagship "in city" L1.5+ driving aid warned me (see attached) of possible degraded performance (never had that with my poor-boy Subaru Eyesight L2 features that worked in city (e.g., TACC functions, Rear cross traffic alerting, etc.). Degraded due to "Poor weather" - now defined as when cloudy with light drizzle. Reliable/predictable L2+ my @$$....
3. As you may recall from prior reviews, we have a gate. In the past, the junk would stop and show the red hands of death. Now, it continues to steam toward the gate as if it were not there, while showing the red hands of death... I had to stand on the brake pedal at 10' from the gate.
4. Constantly had to give it pedal and intersections, ramps, etc. In name cases (sh)it just wanted to "idle" through the intersection (after stopping).
5. Wipers, spazzed out more than prior "downgrade".

Summary - See attached photo. I will not be driving this version again. Done until v12j^2

YMMV.

View attachment 996020 View attachment 996021

See, that’s weird about the gate. I’ve had good luck with gates in past releases. I couldn’t tell you which one, but I have it stop for gates, wait for them to fully open then tap the accelerator to proceed.

FSDtester#1 · Dec 3, 2023

jebinc said:
It was factual in my Model S. Maybe a model 3 or Y would perform better.

Edit: And where are all of the other reports? Good, bad and ugly….

I'm going for a drive shortly. I'll report back later.
And it's raining. This should be interesting!

jebinc · Dec 3, 2023

Dewg said:
Unbiased means you report the facts, and let the reader come to their own conclusions. The moment you put in language that conveys an opinion, or attempts to sway the viewpoint of the reader, it's no longer unbiased.

I'll give you two examples:

A 5 year-old boy died when he was struck by a Tesla on the corner of 5th and Elm. Police are investigating the scene and we'll bring you more details when they become available.

A child was tragically struck and killed by a Tesla, possibly using Tesla's Autopilot, on the corner of 5th and Elm. Police are investigating the accident, and we'll bring you more details as they become available.

Notice the 2nd paragraph invokes emotional responses by using child, tragic, and possibly. I'm attempting to lean the reader towards anger, and prejudge the driver and/or Tesla without the facts.

The “unbiased” OP was a joke to @WilliamG, but I kept it going after you replied to it!

Clearly, as everyone here knows, I have a strong negative bias towards FSD beta (aka “junk”)!

jebinc · Dec 3, 2023

LowlyOilBurner said:
See, that’s weird about the gate. I’ve had good luck with gates in past releases. I couldn’t tell you which one, but I have it stop for gates, wait for them to fully open then tap the accelerator to proceed.

Yeah, me too - as I reported back then. This was a regression.

jebinc · Dec 3, 2023

FSDtester#1 said:
I'm going for a drive shortly. I'll report back later.
And it's raining. This should be interesting!

Fantastic! Are you in a MS or X?

Yelobird · Dec 3, 2023

jebinc said:
The “unbiased” OP was a joke to @WilliamG, but I kept it going after you replied to it! Clearly, as everyone here knows, I have a strong negative bias towards FSD beta (aka “junk”)!

Technically you have strong negative bias on most Anything Tesla related. Luckily as you only provide negative to every case it’s easy for most to see little value in your input.

jebinc · Dec 3, 2023

Yelobird said:
Technically you have strong negative bias on most Anything Tesla related. Luckily as you only provide negative to every case it’s easy for most to see little value in your input.

“Technically,”

a negative bias on FSDj, the bait and switch on the Cybertruck (starting with last Thursday’s “Spectacle”), and of course my “within spec” normal vibration that most Plaids have - unaddressed for over 2.5 years.
Negative bias firmly rooted in a fact-base. I know, I know, I should never let the facts ruin a good story….

kabin · Dec 3, 2023

I'm still holding out for general feedback but until then RUT ROH! Say it isn't so Elo...

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