FSD Beta v11.x

The next big milestone for FSD is 11. It is a significant upgrade and fundamental changes to several parts of the FSD stack including totally new way to train the perception NN.

From AI day and Lex Fridman interview we have a good sense of what might be included.

- Object permanence both temporal and spatial
- Moving from “bag of points” to objects in NN
- Creating a 3D vector representation of the environment all in NN
- Planner optimization using NN / Monte Carlo Tree Search (MCTS)
- Change from processed images to “photon count” / raw image
- Change from single image perception to surround video
- Merging of city, highway and parking lot stacks a.k.a. Single Stack

Lex Fridman Interview of Elon. Starting with FSD related topics.

Here is a detailed explanation of Beta 11 in "layman's language" by James Douma, interview done after Lex Podcast.

Here is the AI Day explanation by in 4 parts.

Deep Understanding Tesla FSD Part 1: HydraNet

From Theory to Reality, Analyze the Evolution of Tesla Full Self-Driving

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Here is a useful blog post asking a few questions to Tesla about AI day. The useful part comes in comparison of Tesla's methods with Waymo and others (detailed papers linked).

Twelve Questions about Tesla Autopilot Technologies Exposed at 2021 AI Day

On Aug. 19 2021, Telsa held an AI day , exposing more technologies about Autopilot , from perception, planning, data labeling, simulation…

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[Gbills]

How much longer are you planning on keeping that car? You'll eventually buy a new one, probably from a different mfg, and get all the features you want. Avail yourself of the free market, and vote with your dollars.

I’m going to keep this for as long as it takes. Cuz honestly I do not see any clear path for my model s to be fully self driving. There is going to have to be too many hardware upgrades (faster and more memory, redundancies for safety, and something else added with cameras to complete FULL self driving visualization) just to name a few. Tesla made the commitment. I’m going to see to the end and what Tesla will do. I don’t need to pick out another manufacture, I have never put everything in one basket. Hoping for a surprise.

 

[Mardak]

I'm just not seeing any V11 based build going out to any cars

There could be a lot of work happening behind the scenes that you can't directly see, so you would need to look at other patterns to try to see what's actually going on.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605644488730214402

In case you haven't seen the FSD Beta 11 release notes, they were shared / leaked from a car that did get a build over a month ago.

 

[Mardak]

Looks like pre-Safety-Score / Early Access group didn't get 10.69.25 as part of the 5% rollout yesterday and still excluded from the current 20% rollout to existing testers today:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605699944219906048

Maybe FSD Beta 11 will indeed happen before Christmas / this week to this early access group, and if so, potentially rolled out to even 5% of existing FSD Beta fleet within a couple days of that if no issues found, and even more optimistically wide rollout before New Years / end of next week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605689626248630272

 

[JulienW]

Looks like pre-Safety-Score / Early Access group didn't get 10.69.25 as part of the 5% rollout yesterday and still excluded from the current 20% rollout to existing testers today:....

I suspect it is because 10.69.25 is the same as 10.3.3, just repackaged so there is NO reason to send the holiday update early to the YouTubers. No new Beta to test. They will probably start getting it soon, and me too I hope.

 

[navels]

10.69.25 does seem to be flowing out, installing on my Model 3 as we speak.

 

[Supcom]

I suspect it is because 10.69.25 is the same as 10.3.3, just repackaged so there is NO reason to send the holiday update early to the YouTubers. No new Beta to test. They will probably start getting it soon, and me too I hope.

The OG group is waiting a long time. Very unusual. I'm starting to think that they're being held back for a possible V11 drop. I just don't see the Favored Few getting left off of the holiday update so long.

 

[momo3605]

Looks like pre-Safety-Score / Early Access group didn't get 10.69.25 as part of the 5% rollout yesterday and still excluded from the current 20% rollout to existing testers today:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605699944219906048

Maybe FSD Beta 11 will indeed happen before Christmas / this week to this early access group, and if so, potentially rolled out to even 5% of existing FSD Beta fleet within a couple days of that if no issues found, and even more optimistically wide rollout before New Years / end of next week.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605689626248630272

What credibility does Teslascope have? They've been pretty dead wrong on every piece of V11 news they've posted recently.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

Why does anyone even care at this point? It is just going to be exactly the same software with some changes and no significant change in end result. Check in annually, seems like the right cadence.

 

[Dewg]

Anyone notice that EVnow got banned? I thought I felt a disturbance in the Force.

 

[clydeiii]

Why did they get banned?

 

[tivoboy]

The OG group is waiting a long time. Very unusual. I'm starting to think that they're being held back for a possible V11 drop. I just don't see the Favored Few getting left off of the holiday update so long.

I’ve been on FSDb over a year now? Just had 44.25.5 drop to my M3

 

[clydeiii]

I’ve been on FSDb over a year now? Just had 44.25.5 drop to my M3

You are decently OG, but not OG enough.

 

[Scott Chapman]

I just got my upgrade from 36.20 -> 44.25.5 this morning. Really looks like that is going out broadly now.

 

[MarcG]

I just got my upgrade from 36.20 -> 44.25.5 this morning. Really looks like that is going out broadly now.

Yep, same here

 

[powertoold]

Looks like some of the OGs are getting .25, all hope is lost for V11 this year:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605902449134383104

 

[jj3884]

Hopefully 25.5 goes wide, ie to non-existing Beta users. Hasn't so far...

 

[tmoz]

Anyone notice that EVnow got banned? I thought I felt a disturbance in the Force.

Banned from TMC or banned from Twitter? What does it take to get banned from TMC?

 

[MrFusion4]

Hopefully 25.5 goes wide, ie to non-existing Beta users. Hasn't so far...

Yup I’m one of them

 

[momo3605]

Anyone notice that EVnow got banned? I thought I felt a disturbance in the Force.

Oh man! What happened?! I missed it!? His posts always seemed to end up in Snippiness 2.0 thread so maybe that’s why? Lol

 

[Mardak]

With the Twitter Spaces comment about new neural networks in FSD Beta 11, maybe there will need to be more time for extra testing? I wonder if they were part of the original single stack release or they noticed in employee testing that something would need to be replaced.