I have a Model S (refresh) delivered Sept 2021, with FSD. I have been catching up on this (great) thread and have a couple questions:
1) FSD ’promises’: there are a couple posts in here that reference a pre 4/2019 promise re FSD capability which is different than the post 4/2019 promise.
Pre ~March 2019 the description of FSD describes a system that is at least L4. After that it only promises some specific capabilities that you can argue are already satisfied with the current FSDb, and only at L2.
Teslas stated intent is to deliver L4 (or 5) to all HW3 and newer cars. But it remains unknown (and in the opinion of many not possible) for them to actually do that on older HW (and maybe not even on most current HW)
What does this mean for me. Will I be expected to ’pay to upgrade’ (HW, etc) if I actually want FSD that works at L4+.
This is no upgrade path for HW3 cars currently- paid or otherwise. There may never be one.
What that means for post 4/2019 cars is most likely they get whatever their current HW can provide and are (legally anyway) owed nothing else. As I say it's unknown what (if anything) beyond L2 that will be.
For pre 4/2019 cars they'd still be owed L4-- if there's no HW upgrade path Tesla has a few options, they've been discussed a BUNCH in this and other threads already, nobody knows which of them they'd pick though.
Which leads to my next question,
2) HW4: based on the posts in a different thread, I think I have HW3. Is it Tesla’s intent to make FSD (L4+) available on HW3? This thread seems to imply that Software version V12 will work on HW3 or HW4. Is that correct?
Thanks in advance for any input.
Their "intent" was to offer L4 or L5 on HW2. That turned out impossible.
Then their "intent" was to offer it on HW2.5. That turned out impossible.
Then their "intent" was to offer it on HW3.0. So far that has not happened and looks incredibly unlikely.
As suggested they still "intend" to do it though (and on HW4).
But until they
actually do it nobody- including Tesla,
actually knows what HW is required to do it.
Meanwhile tonight I was driving in a HW3 car in moderately heavy rain and a fair bit of the drive it was locking me out of going over 60 or 65 mph, and frequently locking me out of being able to change lanes at all on FSD, because the HW is simply incapable of seeing well enough with rain on the existing cameras... and 3 different times I got the red steering wheel TAKE OVER NOW when the rain got more intense.
Of course technically "when it's not raining" is a valid ODD for L4 driving so there's that I guess.