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willow_hiller
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Don't take the word of noxious TSLAQ as gospel. Ross has a complete different account of the disengagement:
Knightshade
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I mean we've had folks post in various threads about it blowing stop signs before, so this isn't terribly shocking. Mine has done it too, though only once in thousands of miles of driving.
Ross reply seems directly contradicted by the actual video- At the 6 second mark the car is AT the stop sign--- still going 34 mph, and you can clearly see FSD still driving (blue steering wheel on screen)
Only AFTER that does he hit the brake and the blue wheel turns off.
So Ross is either outright intentionally lying or.... more generously... misremembering the on-video fact FSD blew the stop sign without himself having watched the actual video to realize his story does not hold up.
See all the evidence clearly in this shot-- speed, fact FSD was still on, and being AT the stop sign, circled in red.... if you watch the video in motion you can see a second earlier his foot was over the accelerator, and in this shot he has almost finished moving it to the brake, but has not hit it yet since FSD is still on... at the 7 second mark just AFTER this shot is when he finally disengaged FSD, beyond the stop sign.
Ross reply seems directly contradicted by the actual video- At the 6 second mark the car is AT the stop sign--- still going 34 mph, and you can clearly see FSD still driving (blue steering wheel on screen)
Only AFTER that does he hit the brake and the blue wheel turns off.
So Ross is either outright intentionally lying or.... more generously... misremembering the on-video fact FSD blew the stop sign without himself having watched the actual video to realize his story does not hold up.
See all the evidence clearly in this shot-- speed, fact FSD was still on, and being AT the stop sign, circled in red.... if you watch the video in motion you can see a second earlier his foot was over the accelerator, and in this shot he has almost finished moving it to the brake, but has not hit it yet since FSD is still on... at the 7 second mark just AFTER this shot is when he finally disengaged FSD, beyond the stop sign.
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JRP3
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My eyes agree with the noxious TSLAQ troll though, the video makes it obvious that the car passed the stop sign without slowing down. Knightshade is correct.
willow_hiller
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If the fact that FSD Beta made a mistake is shocking and/or newsworthy to you, I don't know what to say.
Regardless of what happened, Ogan is being alarmist.
Knightshade
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Not just that, he gets his fundamental claim wrong, which was:
Taylor Ogan said:
Humans blow stop signs all the time. As long as FSD does so less often, even if it's not never, is still safer than a human! (for this one aspect of driving anyway)
I still don't think we're remotely close to Tesla robotaxis, nor do I think we'll ever get generalized L4 or better on existing hardware- but "safer than a human" is a lot lower bar than "flawless 100% of the time"
Somebody should have that in their signature.
willow_hiller
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I think Ross is saying he was pressing the accelerator 10 feet prior to the stop sign. So it was an intervention prior to the disengagement that caused it to pass the sign:
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
The fact that it went right through an obvious stop sign that it registered on screen is shocking, yes, I thought FSD was better than that.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
That seems to be a lie. Here the path forward is still blue and you can see his foot is off the accelerator and hovering over the brake.
Knightshade
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Yeah at this point Ross seems to just be throwing obviously untrue excuses at a wall instead of admit the car made a mistake.... his misremembering right after I could buy as an honest error- but still doing it now after seeing the footage not so much.
FWIW as I mention in the other thread I can see a possible way this isn't the cars fault- just not one that agrees with his excuses.
He DOES have his foot over the accelerator (or maybe on it- can't tell from the angle) until about 5 seconds in... it's possible the car WOULD have stopped except he was pressing the accelerator for no obvious reason (maybe by accident?) and once he took it off, the car was still doing 34 mph AT the sign and recognized it couldn't stop in time. No idea what the car does in that case- maybe just keep going? That would explain what we see as entirely human error.
But instead of Ross suggesting that he keeps making up nonsense about it was disengaged (when it clearly wasn't- and of course pressing the accelerator does not disengage) or claiming that he hit the accelerator because the white car cut him off (which it clearly did not, it wasn't even visible until after he'd taken his foot off the accelerator and was on the other side of the intersection anyway)
FWIW as I mention in the other thread I can see a possible way this isn't the cars fault- just not one that agrees with his excuses.
He DOES have his foot over the accelerator (or maybe on it- can't tell from the angle) until about 5 seconds in... it's possible the car WOULD have stopped except he was pressing the accelerator for no obvious reason (maybe by accident?) and once he took it off, the car was still doing 34 mph AT the sign and recognized it couldn't stop in time. No idea what the car does in that case- maybe just keep going? That would explain what we see as entirely human error.
But instead of Ross suggesting that he keeps making up nonsense about it was disengaged (when it clearly wasn't- and of course pressing the accelerator does not disengage) or claiming that he hit the accelerator because the white car cut him off (which it clearly did not, it wasn't even visible until after he'd taken his foot off the accelerator and was on the other side of the intersection anyway)
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All these debates about FSD & Ross aren't necessary. Ross should've repeated the same route after it happened for confirmation with less variables - ie. don't hover/step on accelerator. Then none of these back & forth will be needed!
khorton
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This has been my experience. When FSD messes up in one place, it continues to exhibit the same behaviour there. Sometimes it improves with an upgrade and sometimes it stays the same.
This intersection is weird (not defending FSD here, it's pretty clear that it didn't appear that it was going to stop to avoid hitting the Audi), but the stop line for the stop sign is pretty close to where Ross ended up stopping, so I think that if he was over the line, it wasn't by much.
Still not good.
Knightshade
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Someone replicated the event-- it stops in the middle of the intersection if you don't intervene according to them- post about it here:
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Like Elon said, the clown is one of their best unpaid QA testers. He finds some bugs, Tesla fixes them. That he pays twitter to do PR for FSD is another level fail. They think bugs from the past will stop Tesla FSD, but Tesla believes it's a future statistics problem. Who is right we will see, but soo far they have failed at stopping Tesla FSD.
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