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For the purpose of this thread, the wheel option is still stalkless from what I can see in the pictures, so makes no difference for the issues people are discussing about missing stalks.Model S/X now has wheel option vs yoke…
Strongly disagree. Change can be tough yet often necessary. The removal is stalks on my S has been something that I completely embraced, and a decision I even defended, until I realized how horrible it was. I’ve been driving stalkless for 14 months, and I promise you, it sucks. The on screen gear selection feature is downright dangerous. There is no haptic feedback. I have had not one, but multiple incidents where I thought the gear was changed to reverse and it did not, causing me to lurch forward.Many people are resistant to change. They are used to stalks and gear flippers.
They have been driving with them for many years, and have gotten used to them.
After some time driving without them, they will adapt, but adaption is not effortless.
Cars used to have horn buttons all over the place. On horn rings, buttons, floorboard switches, dash buttons, on the end of stalks etc. Drove people crazy when renting cars unfamiliar to them. Now auto manufacturers have normalized many controls and people have gotten comfortable with them.
Eliminating stalks has made this uncomfortable again. Luddites always resist change.
Motivation to change from stalks hanging on steering columns is strong. It can save hundreds of $ by neither buying them or installing them. They are old fashioned mechanical devices, subject to wear and malfunction. When you are building a Million Cars a year, saving a couple hundred $ on each one will make sense to many. Also saves weight, complication, engineering, shopping for devices and integrating them across their full lineup of vehicles.
Probably takes 1/10 of $, time, complication, purchasing, design, integration, assembly, storage of parts, malfunctions and general hassle over installing legacy stalks. Putting haptic buttons on steering wheels has lots of advantages.
Once you get used to haptics, they are really much simpler than dealing with all the knobs, switches, push pull, move up/down, etc. that comes with manipulating the typical stalk with headlight dimming, turn signal, horn button, windshield wiper, windshield washer, dash dimmer, cruise control, running lights, rear wipers/washers etc.
Elon is optimistic, believing that sentient Human Beings are capable of changing. He may be wrong about many.
Pushing the brake pedal and moving the shifter to reverse/drive/park?Clicking and flipping and pushing and pulling at these appendages is a total PITA
2025 Tesla steering/braking/acceleration control.I believe Tesla is considering removing the steering wheel and accelerator and brake pedal next.
Test drives? What are you talking about? There have only been Refresh S/X demo cars available for the last couple of weeks. Thousands and thousands of no-stalks-yoke cars were purchased by people that were unable to drive the car first. I waited to order a refresh X until I knew there were aftermarket wheel options. I still want stalks but with a wheel I'm doing ok.so people test drove the no-stalks-yoke, didn't like it, bought it anyway, then still hate it. huh. that's a weird one. not.
It still seems like the DIY replacement with Model 3 steering wheel with stalks is the best retrofit for a Model S/X with yoke or lack of stalks that the driver does not like.Woah I had to look and its true theres a wheel option on the S/X now. Also they have gone to a dual thumbwheel setup. There still appears to be signal buttons but we're halfway there.
I test drove a refresh S at the Plano, TX/Legacy West center last month.Test drives? What are you talking about? There have only been Refresh S/X demo cars available for the last couple of weeks. Thousands and thousands of no-stalks-yoke cars were purchased by people that were unable to drive the car first. I waited to order a refresh X until I knew there were aftermarket wheel options. I still want stalks but with a wheel I'm doing ok.
Clearly, some like Tesla's approach. I applaud Tesla and Musk's guts to try new things and not be hidebound by convention. That's how we improve.It is a personal choice. I am 180 from you in that my first Tesla is the MS with yoke and no stalks. Whenever I have a loaner, I absolutely hate it. Clicking and flipping and pushing and pulling at these appendages is a total PITA. That being said, if I was used to that then the haptics may seem just as bad. If Elon offered me a free wheel and stalks I would decline. There is no right or wrong on this topic and many try to present engineering based supporting arguments but it is just choice and what you are used to.
I'm glad to hear they are willing to learn as well. I gave the Yoke an honest try. It was ok on the road but not for close-quarters maneuvering.Model S/X now has wheel option vs yoke…
There are still no stalks, even with the round wheel.Clearly, some like Tesla's approach. I applaud Tesla and Musk's guts to try new things and not be hidebound by convention. That's how we improve.
I'm glad to hear they are willing to learn as well. I gave the Yoke an honest try. It was ok on the road but not for close-quarters maneuvering.
Maybe it won't cost too much to swap the wheel for a yoke and remove the stalks for those who don't want them.
Yes, that isn't good, IMHO. I'm proposing they do have stalks (and/or dashboard haptic controls) as a removable option (even at additional cost).There are still no stalks, even with the round wheel.
Many people are resistant to change. They are used to stalks and gear flippers.
They have been driving with them for many years, and have gotten used to them.
After some time driving without them, they will adapt, but adaption is not effortless.
Cars used to have horn buttons all over the place. On horn rings, buttons, floorboard switches, dash buttons, on the end of stalks etc. Drove people crazy when renting cars unfamiliar to them. Now auto manufacturers have normalized many controls and people have gotten comfortable with them.
Eliminating stalks has made this uncomfortable again. Luddites always resist change.
Motivation to change from stalks hanging on steering columns is strong. It can save hundreds of $ by neither buying them or installing them. They are old fashioned mechanical devices, subject to wear and malfunction. When you are building a Million Cars a year, saving a couple hundred $ on each one will make sense to many. Also saves weight, complication, engineering, shopping for devices and integrating them across their full lineup of vehicles.
Probably takes 1/10 of $, time, complication, purchasing, design, integration, assembly, storage of parts, malfunctions and general hassle over installing legacy stalks. Putting haptic buttons on steering wheels has lots of advantages.
Once you get used to haptics, they are really much simpler than dealing with all the knobs, switches, push pull, move up/down, etc. that comes with manipulating the typical stalk with headlight dimming, turn signal, horn button, windshield wiper, windshield washer, dash dimmer, cruise control, running lights, rear wipers/washers etc.
Elon is optimistic, believing that sentient Human Beings are capable of changing. He may be wrong about many.