Wiki Model S Delivery Update

[dsm363]

You mean other than I am pretty sure that regulations only allow Tesla to advertise the EPA range rating. They can't advertise any other ratings.

But there is lots of wiggle room that's allowed and Tesla takes full advantage of that. One of the reasons why their range is among the least realistic among brands.

The EPA should update what they allow to be advertised. From a consumer reports article "EPA spokesperson Shayla Powell told CR that the current range estimates were designed to fit what it considers the most relevant information on the limited space of a window sticker, and that the agency is continuing to evaluate its methods and procedures for determining EV range. “It would be premature to say how we might adjust the label while our review is ongoing,” Powell told CR."

So they are concerned about what fits on a window sticker in 2024 still? Everything is online. I'm saying the EPA needs to update their testing protocol to bring it into a more realistic range (highway speed average over 49mph hopefully) and educate customers so they are less upset with EVs after purchase.

 

[VikH]

The biggest mystery is why the LR on 19" wheels was not affected. The Plaid uses the same battery and everything else other than the drive units.
The LR rating went UP on the 21" wheels from 375 to 382 and the previously mentioned top speed decrease. What could explain this?
Additionally, the LR is just "est" for both wheel configs instead of "EPA est", while the Plaid is "EPA est" for both wheel configs.

I am wondering this as well. Maybe Tesla forgot to update the website

 

[aerodyne]

When I download the fuel economy guide, or go to the EPA site, no 2024 data is listed for Tesla.

 

[dsm363]

You mean other than I am pretty sure that regulations only allow Tesla to advertise the EPA range rating. They can't advertise any other ratings.

Here's Why EV Range Estimates (Esp. Tesla's) Are Wrong Much Of The Time In The USA - CleanTechnica

The SAE and Car and Driver have released a report that shows why the EPA range numbers for electric cars are often inaccurate.

cleantechnica.com

Tesla chooses the 5 cycle test with some multiplier that gives the best range number possible. Many of the German companies pick the two cycle test that gives a lower number but more in line with reality. So Telsa isn't forced to do what they do. They choose to do this. But it is allowed.

 

[MP3Mike]

The biggest mystery is why the LR on 19" wheels was not affected.

It may have fallen into this "exception" of the new rules:

Vehicles utilizing carry-over data may continue to use data generated under previous policy for as long as the tests are valid (i.e., no changes to the vehicle requiring new MPGe/range testing are required).

 

[krammar81]

Last I recall, the CyberTruck does not come painted. Which was the vehicle that was being referenced. Confusing I recognize in a Model S sub.

Yup, I got confused too as I see no paint on on the CT

 

[BPeter]

It may have fallen into this "exception" of the new rules:

So the Plaid got significant changes but the LR did not? I guess if the Plaid is getting those new sport seats that could have triggered the new range test.
But the LR did get a new higher range on the 21".

 

[CRASCH]

Speculation: Why the Model S LR range remained the same and the Plaid dropped.
They now have to test different configurations and average the results. The plaid mode keeps the battery in ideal state. This heats up the battery and cools the battery.

 

[BPeter]

Speculation: Why the Model S LR range remained the same and the Plaid dropped.
They now have to test different configurations and average the results. The plaid mode keeps the battery in ideal state. This heats up the battery and cools the battery.

I don't think so.
Both LR and Plaid have a mode that the manual says conditions the battery (Insane and Plaid), although no one seems to notice any actual efficiency difference using this mode. I leave my car in Insane at all times and it doesn't appear to be doing anything over Sport for battery conditioning.
There is drag strip mode which heats the battery up (equivalent to the old Insane+ and Ludicrous+ modes) but LR also has that.

 

[CRASCH]

So the Plaid got significant changes but the LR did not? I guess if the Plaid is getting those new sport seats that could have triggered the new range test.
But the LR did get a new higher range on the 21".

I read it as all 2024 models must use the new tests.

 

[CRASCH]

I don't think so.
Both LR and Plaid have a mode that the manual says conditions the battery (Insane and Plaid), although no one seems to notice any actual efficiency difference using this mode. I leave my car in Insane at all times and it doesn't appear to be doing anything over Sport for battery conditioning.
There is drag strip mode which heats the battery up (equivalent to the old Insane+ and Ludicrous+ modes) but LR also has that.

What do you think the cause of the difference is?

 

[BPeter]

What do you think the cause of the difference is?

I have no idea, but the exception mentioned earlier could very well be it. LR could still be using the old rating, while the Plaid got a new rating possibly due to the new sport seats that were leaked a couple months ago.

 

[aerodyne]

If range is important when making a delivery decision regarding '23 or '24...

Consider that the consumption required to make the EPA range is quite low.

In the case of a 21-23 MSLR with 19" wheels it is 231.17 wh/mi, of you subtract the 4.5% buffer from the EPA tested Full Pack of 98.267 KwH

I don't get that low, best year to date is 237 wh/mi.

Point is, if you drive a plaid the way it is meant to be driven, a little reduction in EPA ratings won't mean much to you.

 

[n2mb_racing]

If range is important when making a delivery decision regarding '23 or '24...

Consider that the consumption required to make the EPA range is quite low.

In the case of a 21-23 MSLR with 19" wheels it is 231.17 wh/mi, of you subtract the 4.5% buffer from the EPA tested Full Pack of 98.267 KwH

I don't get that low, best year to date is 237 wh/mi.

Point is, if you drive a plaid the way it is meant to be driven, a little reduction in EPA ratings won't mean much to you.

Yeah, I averaged 300 whr / mi.

 

[BPeter]

If range is important when making a delivery decision regarding '23 or '24...

Consider that the consumption required to make the EPA range is quite low.

In the case of a 21-23 MSLR with 19" wheels it is 231.17 wh/mi, of you subtract the 4.5% buffer from the EPA tested Full Pack of 98.267 KwH

I don't get that low, best year to date is 237 wh/mi.

Point is, if you drive a plaid the way it is meant to be driven, a little reduction in EPA ratings won't mean much to you.

I think people are mainly concerned if there was an actual change to the cars other than the EPA rating. Tesla did reduce the pack size going from Raven to Palladium by a small amount, and we're concerned they reduced it yet again. A 35 mile reduction for the Plaid isn't insignificant.

 

[n2mb_racing]

I think people are mainly concerned if there was an actual change to the cars other than the EPA rating. Tesla did reduce the pack size going from Raven to Palladium by a small amount, and we're concerned they reduced it yet again. A 35 mile reduction for the Plaid isn't insignificant.

Now, if they changed cell chemistry to allow more peak power to go after the Taycan GT, I'm all for it! They could swap the cells for something with less capacity but higher peak output. The Plaid is essentially battery limited, not motor limited, above about 60 mph. I wouldn't mind a few extra supercharging stops in exchange for higher output.

 

[tofel]

I think people are mainly concerned if there was an actual change to the cars other than the EPA rating. Tesla did reduce the pack size going from Raven to Palladium by a small amount, and we're concerned they reduced it yet again. A 35 mile reduction for the Plaid isn't insignificant.

I doubt they would start manufacturing an entirely new battery pack for a single trim of a single model - Tesla cuts corners and shares as many parts as they possibly can throughout the entire fleet

 

[n2mb_racing]

I doubt they would start manufacturing an entirely new battey pack for a single trim of a single model - Tesla cuts corners and shares as many parts as they possibly can throughout the entire fleet

True. But I can dream....

 

[dn325ci]

What do you think the cause of the difference is?

Link

 

[sorka]

If range is important when making a delivery decision regarding '23 or '24...

Consider that the consumption required to make the EPA range is quite low.

In the case of a 21-23 MSLR with 19" wheels it is 231.17 wh/mi, of you subtract the 4.5% buffer from the EPA tested Full Pack of 98.267 KwH

I don't get that low, best year to date is 237 wh/mi.

Point is, if you drive a plaid the way it is meant to be driven, a little reduction in EPA ratings won't mean much to you.

Except on long trips with the family where range IS important.