Your examples are leading me to believe there may be something with your particular car. As others have mentioned, I've certainly seen situations that it didn't handle perfectly, but nothing like what you're reporting(especially your comment earlier about it just failing to make turns at all). I've used it heavily with multiple different passengers and never had a complaint from any of them during freeway driving(local roads is a different story...).
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Autopilot 2.0 is dangerous
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Your examples are leading me to believe there may be something with your particular car. As others have mentioned, I've certainly seen situations that it didn't handle perfectly, but nothing like what you're reporting(especially your comment earlier about it just failing to make turns at all). I've used it heavily with multiple different passengers and never had a complaint from any of them during freeway driving(local roads is a different story...).
idealsol
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No, the car in front of me kinda got away from me, so my car started speeding up, I believe I was set to 75MPH
I've experienced the turn issues before, and was ready to adjust. No biggie and I realize slowing for curves is not expected currently. As someone stated earlier, the key seems to be understanding what AP2 can do currently and setting your expectations accordingly. Overall, TACC was really good for a fairly long trip.
I feel like 5 months into ownership I have gotten much better at knowing this car. It is a learning experience
And I'm loving it!
No its the other way. You simply are not aware and ignorant of how bad your car is. You just need to give your car to oktane and he will come back and tell you how bad it is.
There could be something wrong with my car but I doubt it? Plenty of other people seem to share my experience. I commute between NorCal and SoCal so I get a lot of highway. The other day AP2 went bonkers on the 580E. I'm never really sure which curves it will follow and 1/10 it will totally miss.
Regardless, all turns it tends to veer towards the outer aspect of the lane. The majority it stays within the confine of the lane, but still not "centered" like I would be if driving. It's not always a problem, but cars behind me always change lanes, assuming I'm a poor driver. When I drive, I pride myself in staying perfectly centered in the lane. Not knowing when AP2 will misjudge something, and the constant left/right movement of the steering wheel is the worst part. Also, if a curve is coming up, it's not displayed on the instrument cluster until you are too close to smoothly begin turning. It's as if the camera needs to be looking farther down the road.
I do not have enough AP1 experience to comment on superiority in construction zones etc. of AP2. To me, AP2 drives worse than I would drive with a blindfold covering one eye and one hand tied behind my back. I guess that's the best way I can describe it. Maybe I'll get a dashcam to capture some footage.
NerdUno
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I guess what worries me is that Elon has made a huge deal out of the fact that a Tesla will be able to drive coast to coast using just cameras. And yet, the AP2 cars using two front-facing cameras today can't keep the car between clearly marked lines on the highway. For those planning to sleep in their cars while making that coast-to-coast trip, might I suggest you get your affairs in order before you depart.
As someone who lives in Sacramento and just made the trip to Reno and back on latest firmware (and a number of times before this) on AP@ hardware... the only way this is true is if you are VERY selective as to when you engage autosteer or not. VERY selective. I have had my car long enough to know when and if Autosteer is going to do well and/or fail. There is NO way you rode even through Sacramento without disengagement much less up 80 to Reno. I'm fairly happy with autopilot on HW2 - for now - but its no where near good enough to make this entire trip without taking over.
I'm not happy as I really have to pay extra attention in any scenario except a straight highway without an overpass sign. Forget streets.
I'm still optimistic that they will eventually get there.
It's like housebreaking a puppy. Always have to pay attention so there isn't an accident and hope that one day they get it.
I'm still optimistic that they will eventually get there.
It's like housebreaking a puppy. Always have to pay attention so there isn't an accident and hope that one day they get it.
Womderful idea. Refund what we were conned into paying for this "not significant"" feature and we can use the proceeds to hire that chauffeur.
Yes - the search function is your friend. Aside from that - if you're real - I also own both versions - 2016 AP1 and 2017 AP2 - AP2 is within a hair's distance of AP1 and in some ways has surpassed it already. I disagree with your claim - feel free to discuss.
It's funny sometimes to go back to the past - your 6-12 month prediction seemed reasonable - but it's only been 90 days and AP2 has improved so much since your post 17.17.4->17.17.26->the new naming convention extra silky. They're almost indistinguishable now. This bodes well for the future.
As for AP1 love - I think it has improved in the last 6 months personally - drives amazingly smooth - like a train on rails. See the article recently written.
Checking back in with you @oktane - was reading through this thread again. We are now I think - three builds - past your post back on May 2. 17.17.4 and now "silky smooth" 1 and 2. How has your car improved/not-improved/worsened?
Checking in with you @NerdUno - how have your impressions changed in the three builds since your May 2 post?
Mark Z
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If I stay out of the right hand lane, AP2 is much better. Otherwise, I must be prepared to steer back onto the freeway when it suddenly heads toward the off-ramp.
NerdUno
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We didn't receive any updates between 17.17.4 and 17.28.c528869. No noticeable improvement that we can observe. Much worse on some roads with false detection of objects and zig zagging between line markings. If there's silk in this release, we have yet to discover it.
On May 2 you were already on 17.17.4? For some reason I thought it wasn't released until May 6. Do you have any dash cam footage of the "zig zag"? We all have a different idea of what that means - dramatic turns back and forth across the lane - or slightly detectable hunting for center? And do you mean on interstate highways it behaves this badly or just local undivided roads?
Do you mean the car will actually exit a Southern California freeway all by itself if you do not correct it???? You've tested this - you let it actually drive off the freeway onto the off-ramp to see if it will complete the exit? Or you mean it does that little momentary jog to the right then it goes back in the lane on its own? What build are you on?
NerdUno
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Sorry. I didn't go back and check the dates against the releases. 17.17.4 was the first update that really showed progress for us. Now we're back in the "2 steps forward, 3 steps back" era. Zig zag means abrupt changes in direction of the vehicle without regard to surrounding cars. There's no "slightly detectable" to it. Overhead signs and tree limbs that have never been a problem now cause braking events, some minor and some dangerous. When passengers are screaming "turn it off," it's a pretty good hint that we're not making progress. Haven't heard that since about February or March. This behavior is on interstate highways around Charleston, SC. And, no, I don't have movie evidence, but I have lots of disgruntled passengers with first-hand knowledge.
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